tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post5248548213178027736..comments2023-03-22T03:46:05.342-07:00Comments on One Finger Typing: Marilyn Monroe meets the Haymarket Riot: a tale of two Chicago sculpturesSteve Masoverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03387484207819808962noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-73834707157193142512011-08-06T09:11:32.667-07:002011-08-06T09:11:32.667-07:00this is "The Seven Year Itch" 1955, Stev...this is "The Seven Year Itch" 1955, Steve L. ... Tony Curtis was in the movie "Some Like it Hot",as one of two musicians,who go in drag to escape the mob... w Marylin Monroe and Jack Lemmon, also written and produced and directed by Billy Wilder, 1959...you might have a double feature sch here!.....easy to see the confusion, believe me..my favorite Billy Wilder movie is my favorite movie,"Double Indemnity" a perfect movie ,and great example o pure film noir...he also made my second favorite movie," Sunset Boulevard" much later on..."The Apartment" and "The Lost Weekend" also really really good movies..check them out!<br />kgkarenganzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175476310467933003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-53559470058749530102011-08-05T17:29:25.667-07:002011-08-05T17:29:25.667-07:00Karen, when I mentioned Tony Curtis whether he was...Karen, when I mentioned Tony Curtis whether he was really in the movie was something I wondered. I think I'm thinking of Seven Year Itch... which was the one where he was in drag (I know... this is what the internet is for).Steven Longhttp://www.foesofreality.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-68082585366246443332011-08-05T13:58:32.135-07:002011-08-05T13:58:32.135-07:00and ps to steve L... tony curtis is not in this mo...and ps to steve L... tony curtis is not in this movie!it is Tom Ewell...he is a pretty reg guy, (I guess the actor from the orig play on broadway ,an" everyman "that is having fantasies when his family goes away, and yes they involve his neighbor in the 50s view of that, goosed up by putting marilyn m.in that role, and some surrealism...kkarenganzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175476310467933003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-43182720917763489662011-08-05T13:48:32.659-07:002011-08-05T13:48:32.659-07:00yes exactly, such a good point steve, and to all ....yes exactly, such a good point steve, and to all ...see the movie....kkarenganzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175476310467933003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-62597209061562031122011-08-05T08:36:02.985-07:002011-08-05T08:36:02.985-07:00@Karen -- Fair enough. I'll have to go back an...@Karen -- Fair enough. I'll have to go back and watch the movie carefully. What the trailer conveys looks pretty ugly to me, looking from a 2011 perspective, as did the scene on Pioneer Square. But I'm open to the possibility there's more to the whole work than the frozen-moment trope that has survived into our time as the film's (and Marilyn Monroe's) emblem and legacy.Steve Masoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03387484207819808962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-8546537459120782892011-08-05T08:23:56.725-07:002011-08-05T08:23:56.725-07:00nice one steve!the pic says it all..a very layered...nice one steve!the pic says it all..a very layered situation ...the movie actually was poking fun at the 1950s idea of marriage(trap) and straight values and works on many levels, including just watching the power dynamic...not a simple movie bec of the writing and directing by billy wilder, and marilyn's and the main man's delivery of the material...the moment whemn she stands over the grate to feel the air on a hot day in the summer is very sexual and taboo and sort of different than the use of it or her later...this furthers that bec it frozen and not free and a gesture in a moment but maybe the kitsch aspect is to take it out and leave her there as a big sort of sexual bunny....?I saw it this year and it is a great and totally over the top movie...drag performance of a lifetime...karenganzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175476310467933003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-42379821824255110702011-08-04T11:02:38.931-07:002011-08-04T11:02:38.931-07:00I've edited the post now, per my reply to Stev...I've edited the post now, per my reply to Steven...Steve Masoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03387484207819808962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-89263732534889196942011-08-04T09:37:02.957-07:002011-08-04T09:37:02.957-07:00I think I agree, but my dad probably liked this mo...I think I agree, but my dad probably liked this movie at the time... but also was fairly progressive in his thinking, so as a product of his time, does my dad get labeled, also (this isn't a fishing expedition so I can huff about my dad - feel free to call him a mysogynist!)? Maybe it's the term - is all objectification misogyny? Probably part of a longer, more complex discussion.Steven Longhttp://www.foesofreality.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-45222953410577081002011-08-04T09:14:25.241-07:002011-08-04T09:14:25.241-07:00Wonderful post. This came out on the perfect day....Wonderful post. This came out on the perfect day. I can imagine Monroe's chirping "Happy Birthday, Mr. President!"<br /><br />And for that, it's another sign of our Misogynistic society.<br /><br /><a href="http://matthewfelixsun.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Matthew Felix Sun</a>Matthew Felix Sunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03347154808262264374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-73027611027442806492011-08-04T08:34:51.845-07:002011-08-04T08:34:51.845-07:00@SteveL -- "Should Tony Curtis and the makers...@SteveL -- "<em>Should Tony Curtis and the makers of the film have known better?</em>" Known better than what? To depict a human being as an objectified (female) creature whose role is solely to serve as a sexual object and foil for the fully-fledged (male) humans in the film? Well, yes.<br /><br />I included a long excerpt from Emma Goldman's autobiography as a subtle (perhaps too-subtle) marker that women's political struggles for parity were not invented after Marilyn Monroe's time, but well before, in the very nation and culture where she lived.<br /><br />It's fair to criticize my poor sentence construction. In the sentence that begins "It is a monument to misogynist kitch..." the subject is Seward Johnson's statue (paralleling the subject of the preceding sentence), and I might have made my intent more clear if I'd written "It is a monumental exemplar of misogynist kitch..." My bad.Steve Masoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03387484207819808962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165118504093345923.post-88433623498949431582011-08-04T07:39:36.545-07:002011-08-04T07:39:36.545-07:00Misogynist kitch. Hmp. I can't argue that the ...Misogynist kitch. Hmp. I can't argue that the definition fits today, and yet I'm a little uncomfortable with the simplification of a popular, but yes, dated movie of the time. I haven't seen it. Is it right to call a medieval knight misogynistic? Hm. I think what I'm asking is whether calling someone misogynistic or the like is something we can do outside of causality, or is it too harsh because to judge severely we have to have a reasonable expectation that they should have known better? Should Tony Curtis and the makers of the film have known better? What are we missing, that's going to be used to tar us in 50 or 100 years, because of what we don't see? Maybe I'm questioning the value of judgement put towards things set in a specific time, as opposed to framing them in that time and clarifying that judgements are being made from a modern perspective, rather than with a general statement. Very interesting stuff, and nice post. I still think it would be cool if Marilyn pooped every hour on the hour. That'd give the people under her something to think about!Steven Longhttp://www.foesofreality.comnoreply@blogger.com